Conseils pratiques pour gagner, en rue - Marcus Wynne

[** Serge **]

A la lecture de certaines dernières interventions en cette rubrique, il me semble que ce rappel ( qui semblera répétitif pour beaucoup ) s'impose :

Random Tips for Winning On The Street

• The number one option for personal security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.
• Make up your mind right now about what you are willing to do to win in a fight.
• Be alert to your surroundings.
• Avoid conflict.
• There’s always someone better than you.
• Keep moving
• Action beats reaction
• There is no “second place” on the street
• Always cheat. Always win.
• Keep breathing and moving your head.
• Don’t escalate the situation. If they escalate, finish them.
• Keep your head moving and your vision in play.
• Always, always check behind you (check six); always, always check around you (check 360).
• Have the mentality to do whatever has to be done. Make up your mind in advance.
• Fight until the threat is over. Be sure it’s over.
• Watch the triangle (head (eyes) to shoulders) and the hands.
• Have a plan.
• Have a back up plan, because the first one won’t survive first contact.
• Don’t drop your guard.
• Be aggressive enough, early enough.
• The faster you finish the fight, the less hurt you will be.

• THE GOLDEN RULE: KNOW WHEN YOU’RE IN A FIGHT. IT STARTS LONG BEFORE THE BLOWS GET THROWN. MOST PEOPLE GET HURT BECAUSE THEY DON’T RECOGNIZE AN INTERVIEW OR THE IMPENDING CUES AROUND THEM THAT TELL YOU -- YOU’RE IN A FIGHT.

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[camoléon]

que de bons conseils de base et on ne les répétera jamais assez!
Mais le dire, c'est bien, le faire, c'est mieux!
Comment garder tout ça en tête en situation et donc sous stress?
Practice, practice!

[athlon]

Petite traduction à l'arrache.
A+



Conseils pour gagner dans la rue (un combat de rue)

• La règle numéro un pour sa sécurité est de toujours chercher l'évitement, de dissuader et la désescalade.
• Décidez-vous dès maintenant sur ce que vous êtes prêt à faire pour gagner dans un combat.
• Soyez attentif à votre environnement.
• Éviter les conflits.
• Il y a toujours quelqu'un de mieux que vous (de plus fort).
• Ne restez pas immobile
• Action provoque réaction
• Il n'y a pas de place de second dans la rue
• Toujours tricher. Toujours gagner.
• Continuez de respirer et de bouger la tête
• Ne pas aggraver la situation. S'il aggrave la situation : l'achever.
• Gardez en mouvement la tête et votre vision.
• Toujours, toujours vérifier derrière vous (regarder à 6 heures); toujours, vérifiez toujours autour de vous (360°).
• Préparez vous ("mentalisez" vous) à faire tout ce qu'il faut faire. Décidez-vous à l'avance.
• Lutter tant que la menace existe : il faut terminer. Assurez-vous que c'est fini.
• Surveillez le triangle (la tête / yeux et les 2 épaules) et les mains.
• Ayez un plan.
• Prévoyez un plan de rechange, parce que le premier plan ne survivra pas le premier contact.
• Ne laissez pas tomber vos gardes.
• Soyez assez agressifs, assez tôt.
• Le plus rapidement vous achever le combat, moins vous serez blessé.


• La règle d'or: Sachez quand vous êtes dans un combat. IL commence bien avant que les coups arrivent. La plupart des gens se blessent parce qu'ils ne reconnaissent pas UNE SITUATIONS AVEC LES INDICES QUI MONTRENT QUE CELA VA ARRIVER : Tu es dans une bagarre.

[DA]

Merci, c'est une bonne introduction à la S-P pour un novice comme moi.
J'irai sans doute voir mes voisins de l'ACDS-Belgium un de ses jours, pour passer de la théorie à la pratique.

[Chris-C]

J'aimerai un eclaircissement sur ce conseil:
Always, always check behind you (check six);

il veut dire quoi par 6 fois, qu'il faut se forcer à cheker plusieurs fois et il donne 6 fois pour bien insister...?

 
merci pour la traduction Athlon

a+ 

[lambda]

je me demande si il veut pas dire: contrôler à "6 heures", soit derrière soi...  

12 h: devant
3 h: à sa droite
9h: à sa gauche.

a+,
Lambda

[Alex Reeves]

Je pense que Marcus Wynne a oublié un conseil :

* Etre membre du forum de David Manise : " Vie Sauvage et Survie ".

C'est la base pourtant ...

 

[athlon]

je me demande si il veut pas dire: contrôler à "6 heures", soit derrière soi...  

12 h: devant
3 h: à sa droite
9h: à sa gauche.

a+,
Lambda

  oui c'est plus cela maintenant que tu le dis...

je change

[DavidManise]

• THE GOLDEN RULE: KNOW WHEN YOU’RE IN A FIGHT. IT STARTS LONG BEFORE THE BLOWS GET THROWN. MOST PEOPLE GET HURT BECAUSE THEY DON’T RECOGNIZE AN INTERVIEW OR THE IMPENDING CUES AROUND THEM THAT TELL YOU -- YOU’RE IN A FIGHT.

put**n ça c'est vraiment trop vrai.  En survie nature aussi.  Pour tout en fait. 

Reconnaître la situation.  C'est la put**n de base...

David

[athlon]

suite à un MP de notre ami jilucorg :

Coucou  {$default_smiley_smiley}

• Action beats reaction
• Action provoque réaction

Je crois bien que ça voudrait plutôt dire : l'action bat la réaction = celui qui agit (en premier) l'emporte sur celui qui se contente de (attend pour) réagir = supériorité de la préemption (IMHO, œuf corse !!)

À+!
 
jiluc.


Il a raison 

[sharky]

suite à un MP de notre ami jilucorg :

Coucou  {$default_smiley_smiley}

• Action beats reaction
• Action provoque réaction

Je crois bien que ça voudrait plutôt dire : l'action bat la réaction = celui qui agit (en premier) l'emporte sur celui qui se contente de (attend pour) réagir = supériorité de la préemption (IMHO, œuf corse !!)

À+!
 
jiluc.

 Est-ce que ce "précepte" rejoint le Self Offence de Mc Cann?
Sergio?

[** Serge **]

Est-ce que ce "précepte" rejoint le Self Offence de Mc Cann?
Sergio?

Totalement.
Ainsi que les enseignements de Thompson, Consterdine, Morrisson, Cestari, Steiner ou Martin.

Points To Ponder — About Training For Real World Self-Defense And Close Combat – Part 1

WE appreciate that many if not most of our visitors train in methods of defense or martial arts systems other than our own. However, we also appreciate that the reason why these people visit our site is so that they can secure helpful information and guidance that is relevant to their adaptation of whatever they learn for practical purposes. Our specialty is close combat and self-defense.

In order to train properly for actual encounters with dangerous and determined human adversaries, in a self-defense or perhaps military context, certain adjustments — mentally, physically, tactically, and technically must be made. Not because “we prefer those adjustments”, but because the nature of the challenge that confronts a person in toe to toe battle with a living, breathing enemy, necessitates them.

Perhaps we may assume that the reader understands — or is at least willing to consider — that which we are saying. With  that much understood, we’d like to present the following “points to ponder”, which comprise a fairly rich miscellany of items that are directly relevant, and essential, to preparation for the supreme and critical application of martial skills and knowledge in real, honest-to-goodness, anything goes hand-to-hand combat; not for appearance or for points, but FOR KEEPS.

•THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A PRICE TO PAY WHEN YOU BECOME EMBROILED IN PHYSICAL VIOLENCE.

It is foolhardy to expect, regardless of your level of strength and ability and technical competence, that you yourself will not be injured. The real world isn’t like that. Experts may stand an excellent chance of winning a serious encounter, and providing skills and mental conditioning are practical and suitable to actual battle, of defeating an assailant in a street attack. But there will almost certainly be injuries absorbed by the expert in the process. Do not misled by advertisements, the arrogance of instructors, or such false claims as may be unfortunately seen in some overly enthusiastic presentations of seminars, courses, or programs in “real world combat”, etc. on the internet. The better and more authentic the teacher, and the more reliable and authentic his teachings, the more it will be frankly admitted that combat is dangerous, cannot be undertaken without risk, and no one — no matter how good he may be — can be a superman!

There are also possible legal consequences to engaging in physical combat. One may win the physical encounter, but end up in jail, prison, or suffering financial and emotional losses of monumental proportions in civil court. Wise persons will understand this and vow never to raise so much as a voice (let alone a hand!) against anyone, unless absolutely necessary in unavoidable self-defense. There is perhaps no greater or more persuasive reason to AVOID TROUBLE IF AT ALL POSSIBLE than the fact that, even if you are in the right, and even though you may win, there will be consequences of an unpleasant nature more often than not — to you.

• THE ONLY “RULE” IS: WIN!

When no choice offers save that of being beaten — perhaps killed — or fighting back fiercely and with determination to prevail, then nothing, absolutely nothing must be permitted to interfere with your ferocious, all-out, driving, committed, “balls to the wall” ATTACK. Winning is the only option that is now acceptable, and every rule, regulation, restriction, block, so-called “foul method” about which you may have been cautioned during your martial arts training is cast aside. Decency must be cast aside. Fair play, humane consideration, “not wanting to injure the attacker too badly”, etc. are all sabotaging thoughts and impediments, and must not be permitted to stand between yourself and instantly resorting to the most brutal, barbaric, even distastefully “dirty” methods you are capable of. You are out to WIN. The attacker has chosen his fate and is responsible for whatever happens to himself. Your life and well being, and the lives and well being of those you love, matter. The attacker — the “enemy” — does not matter. By his initiation of unprovoked violence he has declared himself a wild beast, and has placed his signature upon his resignation from the human race. WIN!
• IF IT MEETS THE REQUIRED STANDARDS FOR COMBAT THEN IT IS A GOOD TECHNIQUE, NO MATTER WHERE IT COMES FROM.
Strangleholds and chokeholds are among the precious few “holds” that make any sense in deadly combat. If you train in karate (any style) or if you are a boxer, or a kickboxer, then these types of holds are not in the curriculum that you study. They derive from ju-jutsu, and regardless of how devoted you are to “your art”, if you are training longterm and seriously for self-defense and close combat, then you must learn strangulation and choking skills.
If you are a ju-jutsu or a judo man, then your striking and kicking is almost certainly not up to a standard commensurate with that which a life or death battle with a man outweighing you by 50 lbs. and possessing three times your strength demands. You not only need a solid variety of effective blows, they must be COMBAT EFFECTIVE BLOWS. This means only minimal clenched fist use, and not striking primarily with the karateka’s style of delivery, but rather the Western boxer’s.
A very few good combat throws, a repertoire of war-proven combat blows, methods of strangulation, how to really counter vicious attacks that take you by surprise (and how to do so MERCILESSLY, without the ridiculous goal of securing a wrist or armlock, etc.) must be cultivated.
There is effective and ineffective in every classical/traditional system of martial art, and the ineffective must be culled out if your purpose in training in a classical/traditional system is self-defense, or you are flirting — literally — with death.
Look to anything and everything for tough, no-nonsense, anything goes, proven skills. Then adopt those skills. (Note: When, in the early 1970’s  we were beginning to formulate American Combato (Jen•Do•Tao)™ we obtained the rules for as many popular combat sports as we could think of. We then set about systematically to BREAK THOSE RULES, one by one, and to look at those techniques in those systems that were omitted by those rules, and we included them in our consideration of a combat syllabus.
• THERE ARE NO SECRETS, MYSTERIES, HIDDEN KNOWLEDGE TO BE UNEARTHED, OR EXCLUSIVE METHODS THAT “THE GOVERNMENT DOESN’T WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT”.
Being familiar with that which the government is concerned with, we are trebly amused by ads that purport to be training people in skills that, for some ridiculous reason the “government doesn’t want you to know”. What hogwash!
Do you really believe, with chemical/biological weapons that can wipe out cities, with missiles that can send the earth off its orbit, and with ordnance that a typical foot soldier can use to stop a tank, that the government is worried about you (or anyone) mastering the chinjab?
Neither Asian nor Western martial arts contain anything mysterious or secret, that YOU — with time, proper discipline, and effort — cannot acquire. Anyone who is attracted by such claims is going to be taken to the cleaners!
• THERE IS NO “TOUGHEST KID ON THE BLOCK”.

NO ONE is invincible, and there is no “toughest man” (except in contests; and those are sporting events, not combat engagements).
Such humility as is quite appropriate for the martial arts man who is practical in his goals, ought to be the result of his acceptance of the fact that, no matter how good he gets with his skills, regardless of the extent of the knowledge that he may acquire, and despite however many successes he may have been fortunate enough to have had in the past . . . he can be beaten, and it only need happen once to result in tragedy.
Do not train with the adolescent attitude of the “tough guy”.
• AN HOUR OF SERIOUS TRAINING IS FAR BETTER THAN A WEEK OF SERIOUS DICUSSION.
Nothing wrong at all with having friendly discussions with fellow enthusiasts about the subjects that you enjoy. However, do not forget that only hard, serious training produces skill, real ability, and justifiable confidence.
Some people like the popular martial arts “forums”. However, the childish name-calling, mud-slinging, and other infantile outbursts and tirades, whereby it almost becomes a contest to see who can put who down faster and with the most malice, lead NOWHERE. Professionals will not participate in such excursions into moronic indulgence — and you shouldn’t, either. Instead of spending two hours on line or sitting around discussing what methods produce the baddest baddass, and which people (in your uneducated, ignorant, pointless opinion) “can’t do squat” or “aren’t for real”, why not shut up and train hard? That’s all that will give you what you need if ever you are attacked, so why not get down to brass tacks and do that?
Talk is not only cheap; it’s a waste of time. Train. Then talk all you want.
• COURAGE IS NOT THE EXCLUSIVE PROVINCE OF HEROES. ANYONE CAN CULTIVATE IT.
The worst and most miserable type of coward is a bully. Next in line comes a troublemaker. It is true that not all bullies and troublemakers are cowards, but the overwhelming majority are, and yet unfortunately, young men who have had bad experiences with these types of scum as children or adolescents, all too frequently make the mistake of thinking of these vermin as possessing a “courage” which they — the victims — do not possess. What a mistake!
Courage is cultivated by coming to an understanding of its necessity as a practical tool for living. Courage is precisely what a bully or troublemaker is NOT demonstrating when he carefully selects someone whom he believes he will have problem pushing around, tormenting, and perhaps beating up.
What the decent individual must come to understand is that virtually everything may be st stake when he is attacked, and he has nothing to lose by fiercely attacking his enemy and going all-out to destroy him. By proper training this attitude is achieved. And by proper training in how to do it (i.e. how to attack), and the confidence that one inevitably acquires when one realizes that one can, indeed “do it” when and if he must, produces the kind of genuine courage that prevails over the kind of scum that delights in maliciously harming, humiliating, or terrorizing other people.
The courageous person avoids trouble just as carefully as the noncourageous but decent person avoids it. But, should trouble come, the courageous individual has the shock of a lifetime in store for the initiator of hostilities — and he damn well knows he has, deep inside his own psyche!
• FEAR IS YOUR ALLY!
Fear energy (a term we coined many years ago) is a life-saving force. People must be trained, educated, and conditioned to understand and to use this fact, however. It is the unpleasant nature of the involuntary fear reaction that makes so many feel that they “are coming apart” when, in a crisis, they feel fear.
Above all you want to be afraid! Make no mistake about this.
Fear must not be confused with panic, which is always undesirable. Panic, in essence, amounts to nothing more than being afraid of one’s feeling of fear, and becoming unable to make a decision to do something. That’s it. And proper training will overcome panic and train the student to use the powerful fear energy that arises within himself so that he can destroy his adversary.
The great boxer Floyd Patterson once wrote that if he enters the ring and he feels fear, he knows that he is going to win; but if he does not feel afraid, then he knows that he will be unable to muster the winning effort. FEAR IS ONE OF YOUR GREATEST ALLIES. GRASP THIS, FEEL IT, KNOW IT, AND FEAR WILL SERVE YOU WELL IN ANY EMERGENCY!
• CONSCIOUS THOUGH IS IMPOSSIBLE WHEN YOU BECOME EMBROILED IN HAND-TO-HAND COMBAT.
It is the subconscious mind that one must learn to rely upon in combat. A great error is to “try to second guess” and opponent, or to attempt to “deliberately decide upon” what technique to use. Can’t be done.
Clear the mind. Do not try to think. Just attack. Whatever happens, just attack. To whatever extent you have trained assiduously, you have programmed your subconscious mind and it is your subconscious mind that will “feed you” the actions, skills and tactics that you require in the crisis in which you find yourself.
• ALWAYS TRAIN WITH THE FOUR CRITICAL ASSUMPTIONS REGARDING THE NATURE OF THE ATTACK, AND OF THE ATTACKER, WHOM YOU WILL CONFRONT.
They are —
1. Your attacker is in every way your physical superior (no matter his size or apparent strength, etc.),
2. Your attacker is armed (whether or not you see a weapon in his hand),
3. Your attacker has assistance (even if you do not immediately see the second and possibly third and fourth assailants at the outset of the attack), and
4. Your attacker’s purpose is to maim or to kill you.
You can always back off if, after exploding ferociously with your counter, you find that the attacker has turned to flee. And, if you can get away after your initial reaction, you should do so. However . . . if your attacker does not flee, and if you cannot get away, then you must render him out of commission — both unable and unwilling to threaten you or your loved ones further.
If you tippy-toe into action, following some ridiculous “force continuum”, then you will — by playing catch-up — only keep giving your enemy repeated opportunities to crush you. He just might do that, too. You can always back off if you’ve stopped an attacker; you cannot always be certain of being able to escalate in time, should your initial reaction prove insufficient.
• SIMPLICITY, LEARNABILITY, RETAINABILITY, AND DESTRUCTIVENESS CONSTITUTE THE MEASURE OF A TECHNIQUE’S WORTH FOR COMBAT AND SELF-DEFENSE.
Never mind what looks good, what you see at demonstrations, or what you are able to do with a cooperative partner in the dojo. Use those criteria and only those for building a combatives repertoire.
•ATTACK MINDEDNESS IS CRUCIAL. YOU MUST POSSESS THE “MINDSET” TO GO AFTER YOUR ENEMY THE VERY SECOND
IT IS CLEAR TO YOU THAT YOU ARE IN IMMINENT DANGER.
Our “force continuum” is simple: HOLD, or ATTACK. That’s what works in the real world — quickly and efficiently. An the guideline that we follow in using force is: First, try everything reasonable to avoid trouble. Second, if trouble is unavoidable, preempt! And third, if an attack catches you off guard, then counterattack.

Points To Ponder — Part 2

• IF IT CAN BE DONE IN SPORT THEN IT IS TOO UNRELIABLE FOR USE IN AN EMERGENCY. IF IT CAN BE RELIED UPON FOR USE IN AN EMERGENCY THEN IT IS TOO DANGEROUS TO PLAY WITH.

While virtually all forms of sporting combat have some application to real combat (and highly experienced and champion competitors in most combat sports are usually able to adopt their skills to self-defense situations) it does not follow that by participating in sport you can prepare adequately for combat, per se.

What we ideally want in combat (self-defense) is to speedily inflict serious injury so that a dangerous aggressor cannot continue to endanger us. This point about INJURY is critical to understand. “Pain” is a completely unreliable means of stopping a determined attacker. As a licensed and experienced hypnotherapist with well over a quarter of a century’s experience in that field — and decades more than that studying psychology and psychiatry and the mental aspects of combat — we can assure everyone that there are individuals who can block out pain completely —ignore it — and continue to function very efficiently. Injury, however, is another story. Break a man’s leg and he falls. Period. Crush his windpipe and he dies. Period. Chop his carotid artery with a powerful, snapping handaxe blow and he drops unconscious. Period. Burst his eardrums with a powerful ear box attack and he collapses with a concussion. Etcetera.

Often, self-defense involves reacting to a mentally disturbed, psychotically motivated, or drug/alcohol-influenced madman. Pain is out of the question. Such a menace must be stopped,  forthwith. Only destructive techniques will achieve that objective.

While there are many who will insist that the ultimate validation of any fighting technique is how it works “in open competition”, these people are incorrect. Appropriate combat techniques may be practiced (carefully) with partners in training, but they cannot be utilized in “matches”. Not  the least of the reasons for this is because, if you want your skills to be there for you instantly, then you must not muddy the training waters by dividing practice time between movements that can be done without injury to your partner and some peripheral work on skills that “you must remember to use in a real emergency”. You WON’T BE ABLE TO remember to use anything in a real emergency. The skills will either have been motor-memorized and internalized, or not. And the task of doing that is best accomplished by sticking to a single type of action.

“Going right for the eyes!” works beautifully in a self-defense emergency. Anyone who believes that such an action is suitable for competition is a fool.

• THE ASIAN MARTIAL ARTS ARE BEAUTIFUL AND VALUABLE. HOWEVER, WESTERN MARTIAL ARTS ARE NO LESS EFFECTIVE, AND OFTEN (BECAUSE THEY ARE LESS RIGID) EVEN MORE EFFECTIVE THAN THE ASIAN SYSTEMS.

The disdain that one so often hears from practitioners of one or another of the Asian martial arts betrays real ignorance, no less than arrogance. Boxing, wrestling, fencing, football, kick boxing, etc. are excellent and effective arts. And, there can be no denying that the revolutionary steps taken by Westerners who had studied and who had used the Asian martial arts, to devise short-term, viable combat methods, during WWII, remain to this day of immense value for students to study.

• THE IDEA THAT SIZE AND STRENGTH DO NOT MATTER IS A MYTH THAT SHOULD HAVE DIED OUT WITH PHRENOLOGY AND PALMISTRY.

Yes, a small man who is skilled, fit, properly trained in tactics and destructive techniques can defeat a larger, stronger man. But not if that larger, stronger man is equally skilled, fit, properly trained in tactics and destructive techniques. Then, the stronger and larger man wins.

The point? Train hard with weights in addition to combat skills, and become as strong as your genetic potential permits.

• MOTION PICTURES AND TELEVISION DO NOT PROVIDE A VIABLE SOURCE FOR OBSERVING AND LEARNING VALID COMBAT SKILLS.

We will acknowledge that sometimes one might see a good technique or two, or witness the application of proper mindset and battle principles. One case in point is in the opening scene in the movie CASINO, when Joe Pesci takes out a loudmouth who insulted his friend. (Watch the movie! It’s a great scene.) But normally one sees fight sequences that have been choreographed to look good. Another depiction of realistic hand-to-hand combat appeared in the excellent motion picture THE PATRIOT. Mel Gibson’s use of a tomahawk in that movie was very realistic.

There are motion picture stars who play “ex green berets”, “tough, loner cops”, etc. and, plying their theatrical martial arts, they certainly provide a great deal of entertainment. So, if you like such films, go ahead and enjoy them. Just don’t mistake what the good guys do to the bad guys as being quality instruction in close combat.

•MODERN WEAPONS FOR MODERN TIMES. AND WEAPONRY IS INTEGRAL TO CLOSE COMBAT; IT IS NOT A SEPARATE STUDY.

Classical weaponry is a fascinating study, but it is largely irrelevant for modern close combat. Modern weapons include: The stick, the fighting knife, the handgun, the shotgun, the rifle, the tomahawk, and unconventional/improvised weapons.

•IF YOU ARE DEFENDING THEN YOU ARE LOSING. IF YOU ARE ATTACKING THEN YOU ARE WINNING.

It really is as simple as that. Good, basic military strategy and tactics. Go after the enemy. Drive him back. Occupy his ground. Keep pounding him so that he cannot recover, and continue until he is destroyed. An awful lot of people do not like hearing this, but it is the truest thing you’ll ever read, or be told about the reality of combat. There is no “nice way”.

• THERE ARE UNIVERSAL PRINCIPLES AND FUNDAMENTALS THAT ALWAYS APPLY IN REAL COMBAT. THEY ARE TRUE NOW, HAVE ALWAYS BEEN TRUE, AND WILL REMAIN TRUE.

Strive to always keep the following in mind when you train:

Balance . . . momentum . . .leverage . . . maximum force . . .deception . . . the surprise attack . . . continuous awareness.

Hand-to-hand and unarmed combat is really not complicated or difficult to learn. The primary problem is that people do not generally appreciate that it is a different skill than either classical or sporting forms of “combat”, that it is a dangerous and risky activity; and that the bottom line is that, in order to be effective and prevail you must learn to be a ruthless, unscrupulous, foul and underhanded gutterfighter, ready, willing, and able to do whatever it takes to destroy the enemy.

With that pleasant thought we conclude Part 2, and wish you very well in your training endeavors.


© - 2010 - Bradley Steiner

David James :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e8xNmi77PM

[athlon]

 

je traduis pas 

[sharky]

non mais c'est quoi cette mauvaise volonté  

Tiens, celà te ferait un bon entrainement pour vendredi et samedi.
"Where is Brian? Brian is in the fuckin'kitcheen"

[athlon]

Ok mais si tu dis cela avec un marshmallow dans la bouche, ils vont se marrer 

[sharky]

i'll fuck you so when you yamn we will see the sun.

ça veut bien dire bienvenu chez nous, déconnez pas les gars je le vois demain

C'est pour çà que l'on veut que tu sois au top

[Berhthramm]

suite à un MP de notre ami jilucorg :

Coucou  {$default_smiley_smiley}

• Action beats reaction
• Action provoque réaction

Je crois bien que ça voudrait plutôt dire : l'action bat la réaction = celui qui agit (en premier) l'emporte sur celui qui se contente de (attend pour) réagir = supériorité de la préemption (IMHO, œuf corse !!)

À+!
 
jiluc.


Il a raison 

bon je sors d'un stage d'escrime, et cette phrase mefait réagir....

Je suis peut-être tordu ou azimuté...

Les maitres allemand parlent du "vor" et du "nach", l'avant et l'aprés, dans un duel à l'épée il ne faut pas être dans le "vor", celui qui démarre le premier, et pas dans le "nach" celui qui démarre trop tard, il faut être dans le "in" (pas sur que ce soit exactement ça en teuton), celui qui est dedans, dans le mouvement de l'autre... Les italiens ont sensiblement le même type de concept avec le "mezo tempo", être en demi-temps, de ce côté cela rejoins bien la notion d'anticipation, savoir que c'est une baston, savoir que c'est en train de se passer... mais ne pas démarrer le premier, laisser à l'adversaire le déballage de carte pour jouer dans son jeu et le tuer (en escrime c'est là qu'on va, je ne sais plus quel maitre (allemand) écrit qu'un "duel c'est un déchainement sauvage de violence extrême"...
Cette réflexion sur les temps d'action m'a fait penser à cela, il semble qu'il existe donc un certain décallage, peut-être est ce due au distance de combat, avec une épée c'est plus loin qu'à la main, et ça laisse peut-être un fragment de seconde d'analyse de plus.

[Eric Lem]

Cette réflexion sur les temps d'action m'a fait penser à cela, il semble qu'il existe donc un certain décallage, peut-être est ce due au distance de combat, avec une épée c'est plus loin qu'à la main, et ça laisse peut-être un fragment de seconde d'analyse de plus.

Je ne connais pas du tout l'escrime donc je ne peux pas juger, mais je pense en effet, que la distnce d'affrontement est la clé.

Dans une distance typiuque ou "ca part" dans la rue, l'adversaire est déjà près, très près...
Et à cette distance, tout ce que j'ai pu tester tent à prouver que oui, en effet, l'action bat la réaction à tous les coups...

[Berhthramm]

d'où la volonté de rester à distance "raisonnable" qu'on peut observer dans certaine vidéo de la part d'uau moins un des protagonistes ? une "stratégie" pour se donner du temps ?

[BULLYSSON]

Bein ça dépend... parceque de plus en plus de gazeuses et d'opinels (difficile à ouvrir à une main)... et donc de plus en plus de BG qui jaugent "à distance" en discutant, pour se donner le temps de sortir un truc, de fuir, de regarder le paysage etc...
Perso je préfère avoir le mec trop près que trop loin parceque si sa main va dans sa poche, ma main va dans sa fucking gu**le !

[Eric Lem]

Perso je préfère avoir le mec trop près que trop loin parceque si sa main va dans sa poche, ma main va dans sa fucking gu**le !

Amen frère Bully... 

[Thanos]

il ne faut pas être dans le "vor", celui qui démarre le premier, et pas dans le "nach" celui qui démarre trop tard, il faut être dans le "in" (pas sur que ce soit exactement ça en teuton), celui qui est dedans, dans le mouvement de l'autre...

C'est ce que les japanisants appelleraient le "sen no sen" et c'est clair que c'est une des choses les plus dures à atteindre, le bon timing. Ça implique d'être dans un état "serein" et d'avoir l'esprit au clair ce qui n'est pas donné à tout le monde dans une situation d'urgence ! 

[Kilbith]

C'est ce que les japanisants appelleraient le "sen no sen"

Il me semble que nombreux sont ici ceux qui ont lu le livre de Tokitsu...mais nous ne devrions pas non plus oublier les trésors de notre propre tradition guerrière.
Là ou d'autres cultures se fondent sur des "on dits" ou des "légendes" pas toujours étayés (souvent on se cache derrière une tradition secrète), dans notre culture les traces existent et sont anciennes.

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[Thanos]

Il me semble que nombreux sont ici ceux qui ont lu le livre de Tokitsu...mais nous ne devrions pas non plus oublier les trésors de notre propre tradition guerrière.

[HS]
Très clairement ! Et c'est ce qu'essaient de faire pas mal d'asso de reconstitution historique. Et je peux te dire que les "t'facon les samouraï et bah ils étaient plus fort que les chevaliers vikings (!!!) et les katana ca coupait alors que les épées du moyen age et bah elle coupent pas c'est juste des masse de 5kg" on en bouffe à longueur d'année sur les fêtes... ex Oriente Lux comme disait l'aut   

Mais c'est pour ça qu'il faut des asso d'AMHE et heureusement que des gens pointus sont là pour transmettre leur savoir dans ce domaine.
[/HS]

[Kilbith]

Clairement,

Et concrètement dans le cadre du post initial de Berthramm, l'avis du toulousain Labat en 1696 (pj.) :