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05 décembre 2006 à 16:00:18
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DavidManise


Idem ;)

Comment ne pas se faire (re)prendre, tenir sur le terrain, etc.

Ciao :)

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05 décembre 2006 à 17:37:19
Réponse #1

Laurent23


Ne pas se faire prendre, c'est en restant le plus mobille possible et quitter la zone dangereuse le plus vite possible. La neige, c'est un sacré problême parcequ'on y laisse des traces alors il faut être le plus rapide ou se déplacer quand il y a une tempête.
Ciao

05 décembre 2006 à 17:54:55
Réponse #2

Kilbith


Hello,

Juste une remarque:

La surface d'un cercle c'est, comme vous le savez : 3.14 x rayon x rayon

C'est sûr que l'on a intérêt à tailler la route, à chaque fois que l'on gagne un peu sur la distance (rayon) la surface à envisager par les poursuivants augmente proportionnellement au carré !

Sous réserve de ne pas laisser de trace et qu'ils doivent chercher sur 360° bien sûr. Mais le raisonnement reste valable pour une portion de cercle.

La condition physique est donc très utile....

Did, ;)

05 décembre 2006 à 18:08:57
Réponse #3

promeneur4d


Hello,

Juste une remarque:

La surface d'un cercle c'est, comme vous le savez : 3.14 x rayon x rayon

C'est sûr que l'on a intérêt à tailler la route, à chaque fois que l'on gagne un peu sur la distance (rayon) la surface à envisager par les poursuivants augmente proportionnellement au carré !

Sous réserve de ne pas laisser de trace et qu'ils doivent chercher sur 360° bien sûr. Mais le raisonnement reste valable pour une portion de cercle.

La condition physique est donc très utile....

Did, ;)
Je dirais qu'il y a rarement 360 degrés ou aller. La plupart du chemin est inpassable. Juste mon avis a 2 balles.
Et je pense qu'il faut faire le contraire de ce qu'on ferait d'habitude: faire ce que l'autre ne pensera jamais qu'on va faire.
Si 86% de la population d'un pays veut pas d'OGM dans les champs et qu'ils sont plantés quand même, peut on parler de démocratie?

05 décembre 2006 à 18:21:52
Réponse #4

Kilbith


 :)
C'est sûr qu'il ne faut pas courir droit devant comme un lièvre....au risque d'être forcé.


05 décembre 2006 à 19:09:22
Réponse #5

fred2


Bonjour

Voila pour ma part une liste de points qui permettrons de limiter les risques de capture.
Condition physique (affutée et entretenue bien entendu en rapport avec l'age et le type de risque encourrus)

Preparation mentale (se conanitre, connaitre les autres si accompagné)
Se preparer a ce type de situation par des exercices tant dans l'effectif que par des "travaux purement mental", retracer les etape d'une evac point par point etc

Preparation du materiel (le minima sur soi a avoir) mais aussi le materiel plus lourd pour des personneS etant sur place de longue durée.
Les connexions pour avoir du materiel
Du lieu et de la raison pour laquelle vous etes la decouleront votre tenue vestimentaire votre attitude etc
les finances (liquide or cb, comptes sur diverses banques)

Preparation technique (maitriser les savoir-faire relatifs aux besoins. J'utilise le terme maitrise car etre juste bon dans certains domaines ne suffira peut etre pas)

L'information: etude de la zone (carte, reperage, population, religion, coutumes, ce qu'il faut faire, pas faire) le milieu naturel, la topo du terrain, les zones poluees, les zone sous influence de tel ou tel groupe.

Si expat: preparation d'un reseau et de points depot (materiel, finances, vivres etc etc)

Preparation medicale (vaccin, soins dentaires +kit urgence )

Les contacts: ambassade, mission, sympatissants a votre "cause" etc etc... quand c'est possible

Si ambassade, les plan d'evac.

Je pense qu'il y a un gros travail a faire avant ce type de situation et que seul les infos prealables permettront de se preparer

Tous ces points sont a developper. Chacun a ses idees donc je ne cite que quelques grandes lignes
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fred2

« Modifié: 10 décembre 2006 à 04:20:30 par CAMP »

06 décembre 2006 à 02:26:49
Réponse #6

clown


juste une astuce intéréssante et qui à des résultats probants:

maintenir entre ses dents un morceau d'écorce (non toxique selon le pays), ou un morceau de carton, ou du papier plié, ou tout autre petit objet pendant que l'on court. L'intérêt c'est de maintenir le plus possible son hydratation malgré la course...Cela nous fait saliver....bref on utilise sa salive comme hydratation momentannée....

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« Modifié: 06 décembre 2006 à 03:30:04 par clown »

06 décembre 2006 à 21:59:36
Réponse #7

SurvivalFred


juste une astuce intéréssante et qui à des résultats probants:

maintenir entre ses dents un morceau d'écorce (non toxique selon le pays), ou un morceau de carton, ou du papier plié, ou tout autre petit objet pendant que l'on court. L'intérêt c'est de maintenir le plus possible son hydratation malgré la course...Cela nous fait saliver....bref on utilise sa salive comme hydratation momentannée....
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Là, j'avoue que je ne comprends pas trop, le fait de saliver diminue la soif mais n'augmente pas ton hydratation, le liquide de ta salive vient déjà de tes réserves hydriques ...

Fred
 

Vous êtes trop devant votre écran d'ordinateur, allez donc pratiquer dehors !!

06 décembre 2006 à 22:05:01
Réponse #8

DavidManise


Oui, Clown, ton truc fonctionne pour s'enlever momentanément la sensation de soif.  Mais cette sensation là -- bien que désagréable -- est le dernier de tes soucis.  Le problème réel, c'est le fait que ton corps manque d'eau. 

D'ailleurs, une fois réellement déshydraté, t'as beau essayer de te faire saliver, t'y arrives pas.  Quand t'as la langue rugueuse comme un bout de bois et que tes yeux grattent dans leurs orbites à chaque fois que tu les tournes, t'as beau tout faire pour saliver, y'a juste plus de jus...

Mais bon.  Faut dire ce qui est, c'est un bon truc pour se faire saliver ;D

Sinon pour me faire pleurer, moi, j'ai découvert le baume du tigre juste sous les yeux.  C'est nickel pour les enterrements des mecs que t'aimes pas mais où il faut faire bonne figure <rire>

Ciao ;)

David
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06 décembre 2006 à 22:43:12
Réponse #9

fred2


Bonjour
Le baume du tigre c'est aussi nickel dans le nez quand tu passes sur des zones a odeurs qui font gerber bien souvent vision +odeur =raoul donc comme il est impossible de fermer les yeux sans risquer de se ramasser le dentier sur le sol acceuillant reste a eviter l'odeur.
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fred2
« Modifié: 10 décembre 2006 à 04:22:48 par CAMP »

06 décembre 2006 à 23:00:52
Réponse #10

SurvivalFred


bonjours
le baume du tigre c'est aussi nickel dans le nez quand tu passe sur de zone a odeur qui font gerber bien souvent vision +odeur =raoul donc comme il est imposible de fermer les yeux sans risquer de se ramaser le dentier sur le sol acceuillant reste a eviter l'odeur
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fred2

Ouais, la pommade VICKS ,ça marche aussi pas mal pour ça mais sans avoir les yeux qui pleurent autant  ;)
Une petite noisette déposée à l'entrée de chaque narine et les examens post-mortem n'ont plus la même saveur  :bheurk:

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Fred
 

Vous êtes trop devant votre écran d'ordinateur, allez donc pratiquer dehors !!

06 décembre 2006 à 23:15:39
Réponse #11

ipphy


bonjours
le baume du tigre c'est aussi nickel dans le nez quand tu passe sur de zone a odeur qui font gerber bien souvent vision +odeur =raoul donc comme il est imposible de fermer les yeux sans risquer de se ramaser le dentier sur le sol acceuillant reste a eviter l'odeur
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fred2

la notice est sympa, d'après elle ça soigne presque tout, des flatulences aux mots de tête:


Composition:

menthol 8%
camphor 25%
dementholised mint oil 16%
cajuput oil 11%
clove oil 1,5%
parafin & petrolatum q.s  (le q.s doit signifier à mon avis "quantité suffisante", on en rajoute jusqu'a remplir le flacon)

voila, c'était ma petite remarque à 2 balles  ;D (et totalement HS :sorry:)
« Modifié: 06 décembre 2006 à 23:28:23 par ipphy »

06 décembre 2006 à 23:19:57
Réponse #12

fred2


salut fred
oui le vick c'est bien aussi dans certains cas tu pleures deja en regardant certains trucs (je pense que tu me comprendra)
mais vick c'est bien et puis ca rapelle l'enfance a certains vieux comme moi
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fred2
« Modifié: 10 décembre 2006 à 04:24:00 par CAMP »

15 janvier 2008 à 13:47:57
Réponse #13

CAMP


Ci-joint le récit d'un certain Rob Smith, stagiaire au sein du cours d' Instructeur SERE (Survival Evasion Resistance and Escape) à Camp Mackall en Septembre 1984, qui raconte l'exercice final de cette formation. Le texte est en anglais... ;)


S.E.R.E. Instructor School

After the Vietnam War, the Army decided it needed more training for all of us "potential POWs." So they established the SERE course at Camp Mackall outside of Ft. Bragg. SERE stands for Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape. The commandant of the course when I was there was one Col. James "Nick" Rowe. Next time you are at Barnes & Noble, check out the book "Five Years to Freedom." It was written by Col. Rowe after he spent five years in Vietnamese captivity, and escaped! Anyway the man knew his stuff, so the course is very good. I went through the Instructor's course in 1984. In February 1989 I was watching CNN when I saw that an American advisor has been gunned down in his car in the Philippines by a communist insurgent. I was crushed to hear that it was Col. Rowe. What a horrible waste of a good man.

I ended up out at the SERE Instructor Course at Camp Mackall in September '84. Camp Mackall has all of the charm of a POW camp. It was the home of the airborne forces during World War II. The course is 30 days long and culminates in a seven day survival and evasion phase. During the first 23 days you learn SERE skills. For instance, they bring you live chickens, rabbits and even goats to kill and prepare over a fire. The idea is that many soldiers had lived their whole lives up to this point without ever killing anything. You also get trained in procuring food, acquiring water, building shelter, land navigation, First-aid, sentry stalking, escape techniques, evading capture, the Geneva Convention, and so on. Also during this time, we made the gear we would use on the survival phase. For example: we had to make a ruck-sack out of all natural materials that would carry all of our individual gear and a PRC-77 radio. A PRC-77 is about the size of a VCR and twice as heavy. Most of us made our ruck-sacks out of kudzu. If you aren't familiar with kudzu, it is a non-native vine that is taking over the South. It is a real pest down there but you can weave a pretty good basket out of it and that is how we made our ruck-sacks. We also made flint knives.

On the night that survival phase was to begin, our six man evasion team was given our supply issue and told to report to the main classroom. At the classroom we were told to strip buck naked so the instructors could ensure that we were not trying to smuggle any food, knives, money or anything not in our issue to the field. After that they loaded us on a truck, hauled us out to the North Carolina piedmont forest and dropped us off with instructions to meet our instructor at a specific spot about six miles north. We had maps, compasses, canteens, water purification tablets, flashlights, panchos, extra socks and one PRC-77 with an extra battery. No food. Our instructor added: "Oh, and by the way, a platoon of the 82nd Airborne Division Recon will be searching for you with a promise of a keg of beer and snacks for each team they catch. If they catch you, you flunk. Good luck."

As we set off to our rally point with the instructor, it began to rain. It wasn't a hard rain but when you are "bustin' brush" the we vegetation ensures that you will be wet to the core. The thick underbrush also makes it impossible to stay dry. As this was the last week in September, it wasn't very warm out. To find where we were, find Carthage, NC on a map. Find the Deep River and draw a line straight south from the river about five miles west of Carthage. If you make this line about 20 miles long, you will be at our start point. Over the course of the next four days we would work our way north to the river.

The first night was a fairly uneventful night of movement to our rally point. The overcast skies made it impossible to see anything and the man on point walked into a lot of logs and trees. It was so dark we couldn't even see the man in front of us. Each man, except the compass man, took his lensatic compass and tied it to his ruck-sack so the tritium dial would show up to the man behind him. We moved fairly consistently and arrived at our rally point a little before dawn.

Two guys set out to find a good hide site for the day and two others went to link up with our instructor. Another soldier and I laid down to rest and wait. I pulled out my pancho and threw it over myself and I laid on the ground in the fetal position. As I laid there I began to get a chill and to shiver uncontrollably. In fact I was shivering so badly that I began to feel like I would vomit. I knew I didn't want that to happen since I had eaten as much as I could hold before we took off the evening before in anticipation of having to live off of the land for seven days. I sure didn't want to lose that food by vomiting. After a few minutes I began to feel better and I heard someone coming. The other guy with me, Douglas, was asleep. I stuck my head out to see which of the other two groups was returning when I saw a group of about six soldiers through the trees. Since they had alice packs and rifles I knew they weren't from out group; they were the OPFOR!

I knew I didn't want to be captured, especially on the first morning. I stayed as still as I could and they passed without detecting us. I was really worried that they would get some of the other four and then throw a dragnet over the area to get the rest of us and I tried to decide what to do. I crawled over and woke up Douglas and we low-crawled down into a little creek bed and waited. Finally the group that was looking for the hide site came back and we quickly told them what had happened. They hadn't seen the OPFOR so they crawled down in the gully too. After about an hour and a half the last two guys came back. They had seen the OPFOR and had radioed in to call off the linkup with the instructor. We were pretty stressed out because we thought they had been captured. They hadn't and eventually radioed in and linked-up with the instructor. It's amazing how tense it gets. It is easy to almost forget that it is not real.

We moved to our hide site, the instructor inspected it and told us he would link up with us there at 1800 that evening. Since we didn't know what our next objective location was, there was nothing to do but sleep. Two people had to be awake at all times for security. Douglas and I decided to give up our first sleep period in order to look for some food. We moved cautiously through the woods east from our hide site to a clearing. In the clearing we saw an old abandoned house. We sat just inside the treeline and watched the house for about 30 minutes to ensure that there was no one around. We didn't want to be caught near a building.

The rules of the course were pretty clear. Everybody started out with 300 points. As the course progressed you would lose points. If we weren't properly camouflaged we could lose 25 points. If we lost any item in your issue: minus 25 points for each item. If we got caught by the OPFOR under normal circumstances: minus 150 points. If we got caught doing something risky like walking on a road or approaching a farm house: minus 300 points - you're out. So we were very careful. We could see from our vantage point there were some apple trees near the house. We couldn't believe our luck. Pretty soon we made a dash across the clearing to the house.

When we got there we could see there were no longer any apples on the tree and the apples on the ground were nothing but a brown, gooey mess. Disappointment! We checked out the house. It was clear by the boarded up windows, the hole in the roof and the overgrown yard that no one had lived there for a while. We tried to find a way in but couldn't find one. The window above the back porch was open and a tree had grown up next to the porch. We climbed up the tree, onto the roof and in the window. The second floor was little more than a single small room. There were a few cardboard boxes and one had some old clothes in it. It was clear that some animal, probably a raccoon, had been nesting in the box. The clothes were pressed down into a nest and there was a musky odor. The box was full of women's sweaters. I pulled one out. It was brown, knit and had big buttons on the left side and it smelled. I was so chilled from being wet I just took off my fatigue shirt and put on the sweater. The sleeves ended about four in inches below my elbows but I didn't care. I put my fatigue shirt back on over it. It felt great!

We climbed down the ladder to the first floor. There was no furniture in the house and the plaster was falling off all around. Douglas brought his flashlight so we were able to see. There were only two rooms and the kitchen never had plumbing. Nevertheless, there were a few shelves in the kitchen. Mostly there was nothing of value but we did find the following items: an old box of Hamburger Helper, a can of pumpkin pie filling, a steak knife and a shaker of Morton salt substitute. We took those items and the other sweaters and headed back to the rest of the group.

When we got back to the hide site the other guys were really pleased about the sweaters. Everybody got one. We decided to hold off on the food. I now rolled up in my pancho and went to sleep. Later, another member of the team came back with about a gallon of walnuts he had found. We divided them up, but somebody put some of that Morton salt substitute on them. That really ruined the flavor. I don't know if the stuff was bad, or it normally tastes that way but I did my best to wash the stuff off of my share of the walnuts.

When the instructor returned I was docked 25 points for not being properly camouflaged. I had put some soot on my face for camouflage makeup, but the on and off rain all day had washed it off. To make sure that this didn't happen again, I found some of the inedible purple berries that grew in the area, crushed some and mixed them with soot. I then applied this mixture to my face. I didn't wash off for the rest of the course. In fact, it didn't wash off at all and could still be seen in the creases in my face a month later.

The instructor told us what our rally point the next day was and we set out. The trip that night was going to be a little longer, about seven miles. It was still raining on and off and we soon found out our route took us through some very low, marshy areas. These woods were full of blackberry bushes. That may seem like a good thing except that the season for blackberries was past and all that remained were the thorn covered vines. In the Army, these are called "wait-a-minute-vines" because the man on point always says "wait a minute" as he tries to untangle himself. At the end of this evening all of our pants were torn to some degree and our legs we so scratched up it looked like we were attacked by wild cats.

As we moved through the woods that night we took turns on point. When my turn came, we hadn't moved very far when I stepped off into air. I drooped about five feet down the undercut bank of a stream and landed on my back in about two feet of water. I wasn't hurt, but if I wasn't wet before, I sure was now. Since the creek was sheltered from view by the banks, we used our flashlights to cross and fill our canteens. At about 2am we decided to take a break. It was chilly out, so we cuddled up three to a pancho and caught some sleep. The position we were in is often called spoons, and is a traditional cuddling position. We were so cold that we didn't give a damn and would argue over who got to be in the middle. As we laid there were heard a rustling in the brush near us. Could it be the OPFOR? We heard a low grunting noise and decided it was an animal. One of the guys grabbed is flashlight and shined it toward the noise and we saw that it was a wild hog! Before we could do anything it was gone. We had missed our best chance for a meal we would have. The North Carolina DNR gave the Army special permission for the trainees to kill any game animal as long as we didn't use a firearm.

We started moving again. It was taking us longer than we thought to move to our rally point and towards dawn we really had to move quickly. Our rally point was just beyond North Carolina State Highway 27 and we had a hard time not being seen crossing the road. There were a lot of cars on a long, straight section of highway. It was very important that we not let any civilians see us because the citizens of Carthage knew about the course and the Special Warfare Center (the JFK Special Warfare Center runs the course) had posted flyers telling about the training and offered a $25.00 reward for information leading to our capture. It was all good fun for these folks and other teams in other classes had been caught this way. We finally got across, but we were late for our linkup with our instructor and all docked 25 points. We also lost 25 points when the hide-site we had selected in a hurry was not acceptable. After our instructor left, we settled in for the day.

On our second day in a hide site it was still drizzling. My skin was so saturated my prune-like fingers had started to peel. My feet were in the same shape. I tried to get some sleep but I couldn't. The group decided to risk building a fire. We found a place where there was a depression in the ground and gathered as much dry kindling as we could find. Once we got a small fire going it was amazing how much better we all felt.

Here are a few items we were issued to take that I forgot to mention earlier: A canteen cup, mosquito repellent, 10 feet of 550 parachute cord, two fish hooks, a nail, a pencil, a small note pad and pencil and a zip-loc bag. We pulled out the Hamburger Helper and the pumpkin pie filling we found in the abandoned house and prepared for breakfast. The Hamburger Helper was pretty old and was full of bugs. We had eaten plenty of insects in the training part of the course leading up to this point, so we weren't too bothered by them. We put the Hamburger Helper in two canteen cups with water and let them sit in the fire to warm up. After it was softened, we divided it up and ate it. The pie filling was another problem: we didn't have a can opener. Someone eventually was able to open the can, however, and we split it's contents six ways. As you can imagine, this barely put a dent in our hunger and just made us want more.

We spent the rest of the day foraging for food, but didn't find much. A few walnuts and a handful of grapes was about it. This was about the time a young buck sergeant from 10th Group Special Forces on our team began to recall every great meal he had ever eaten. He would spend the rest of the course describing in great detail things like BBQ ribs, chimichangas, Cajun fried chicken and so forth. He is lucky the rest of us didn't kill him.

Our instructor arrived at about 1700, which was an hour before planned. He inspected how well we sterilized our hide site and told us where to be the next morning: another seven mile hump. When he left, we realized there was about an hour of daylight left. If we got moving, we might be able to accomplish half our movement in that single hour! It was so much easier to move when you could see where you were going. In the dark, we might spend half an hour fighting through a briar thicket that, had we known how, we could have walked around in five minutes.

We took off at a trot. We really wanted to get as much of the movement done before dark as possible. It wasn't a very tactical way of doing things since it would be easy for the OPFOR to spot us and we might even run right into them. Nevertheless, moving through the North Carolina forest in the night was so exhausting that we were willing to risk it. As we jogged along, one guy on our team kept falling to the rear. He was a sergeant from the 82nd Airborne Air Defense Artillery. My team leader from Division Recon got behind him and "encouraged" him to speed up. When it got dark we took a break in a swampy area. That evening it was my turn to carry the radio and the team leader came over to where I was sitting next to a tree and asked me for it. I didn't ask any questions and handed it over. I heard him make a radio call in and contact the TOC (tactical operations center). He said we had an individual who wanted to quit and he requested a truck to a road near our position to pick him up. I was stunned.

To quit the course was to receive a "lack of motivation discharge". To leave a military school under these conditions is considered a great dishonor. Furthermore, you could never return to the course and your commander would be unlikely to send you to many other schools in the future. This individual had just made a career decision. We made sure that we exchanged any damaged gear we had and he gave his canteen to another team member who had lost his. Then two guys took him up to the road to wait for the truck. It didn't take very long for the truck to arrive. Trouble came with it. The OPFOR had monitored our radio call and had followed the truck to the pick-up point. The two guys told the guy who had quit to hold his position in the woods for ten minutes and they beat feet back to our position. We quietly put some distance between us ant the truck. We could hear the OPFOR in the woods behind us and we knew they would have NODS (night observation devices). We found a thicket and laid low for a couple of hours. When they were gone we started moving again.

We were on high ground now so the moving was a lot easier. The problem now was that we hadn't had the opportunity to fill our canteens for 24 hours and we were thirsty. There was no water anywhere in this area. As we walked through an open area we heard little pop pop pop noises beneath our feet. May pops! May pops are little cucumber looking things that are hollow so they pop when you step on them. The outside is edible but flavorless, the inside is a juicy pulp that is like a watery jelly or jam. The great thing about them is that you can even find them in the dark by stepping on them. We were able to eat our fill and they were juicy enough to quench our thirst somewhat too. We arrived at our hide site pretty early; about 0300. It had started to rain hard again so we set up two of our panchos like funnels to catch the rain and funnel it into canteens. We finally got some water. The five of us got some sleep under the other three panchos.

At 0600 it was time to link up with our instructor. A team member and I went out to the linkup point: a narrow dirt road. When we got down there we saw him standing in the road and the two of us just walked out of the woods to meet him. For this we were each docked 25 points. We didn't overwatch the position and signal him in the planned manner. We just got lazy I guess. He inspected our site and took off.

It finally stopped raining. By this time I was really hungry. We took turns foraging for food all day. We did pretty good and found some soybeans, field corn and a couple of ears of popcorn. One guy found a box turtle. We started a small fire and put some water in canteen cups and boiled the beans and corn. Somebody else cut the turtle into little pieces and put it in the cups too. What we ended up with was a kind of turtle flavored corn and bean soup. It was probably awful, but it tasted good to me. I got about a half a canteen cup. The funny thing was, I was stuffed. I guess my stomach had shrunk enough that even a small amount of food filled me up. Next we tried to pop the popcorn without much success. We probably each got about a dozen pieces of popped corn each. To this day, that popcorn seems like the most delicious food I ever had. I still have the canteen cup and the little burnt corn marks in the bottom are visible still.

After our instructor came and did his daily inspection, we set off on our nightly movement. It hadn't rained all day, but the sky continued to look like it might. After a while I looked up and saw stars. I was never so glad to see clear skies in all my life. For the most part we were able to keep to high ground so the movement was easier. We were even starting to dry out for the first time in days. At one point we came to an abandoned paved road. It was all cracked and broken and weeds and small trees grew for the cracks. You could still see the painted center line. This was a great find because the road was going the same direction we were and it was easy to travel and fairly safe since vehicles couldn't travel on it. We were able to follow the road for about a mile.

Finding water was still a challenge. We finally became so desperate we went up to a poultry farming operation and got water from a faucet on the side of a pole barn. This was the only time we approached an inhabited area. We looked inside the barn and could see thousands of tiny baby chickens in cages. The cages were heated by devices that looked like satellite dishes but with a gas flame in the middle. We immediately launched into a debate as to whether we should eat some of the little yellow fuzz-balls. One side argued that they would never miss a few and that we could skewer them on sticks and cook them over the cage heaters. The other side objected that in a real evasion situation we would most likely be in a third-world nation and that the owners of chickens would know them all on a first name basis. If any turned up missing, they would alert the authorities. They also argued that we were expressly forbidden to steal anything in the course and that we would feel better about success if we didn't cheat. This side won out and we left without eating any chickens. Later at the edge a field we found a watermelon about the size of a football in some tall weeds. We ate the whole thing; rind and all.

Our rally point was on the banks of the Deep River. Around dawn we arrived at the river about a half mile upstream of our rally point. We paralleled the river until we came to smaller feeder creek that poured into the river. The creek was about 12 feet across and, because we were at the point where it joined the Deep River, about eight feet deep. Since we were dry for the first time in days, none of us wanted to swim the creek. Our map showed a bridge about 200 meters up the creek from our position. We decided to try to cross it. We moved quietly up to the bridge in the early morning twilight. When we got close enough to see it we were badly disappointed. There was an OPFOR gun-jeep parked on the bridge with two soldiers sitting in it chatting. We moved back down-stream. We searched for a way to cross. Douglas tried to wade in one spot that seemed shallow but dropped off into a hole. He swam across.

We finally found a log that was sticking out from the far bank at about a 45 degree angle. We decided to try to pull it down to our level. We hooked all of our belts together and lassoed the log. Four of us began to pull on the belts to try to pull the log down to a level position. Unfortunately, instead of pulling down the log in one piece, a four foot piece of the end broke off and came down and hit me square on the
head. The blow knocked me to the ground and everyone gathered around to ask me if I was okay. I said I was. One of my team members said "No you're not! You need medical attention." I said I didn't but he told me he had a plan and to shut up. He got on the radio, called the TOC and told them what happened. He said I should be looked at by a medic to make sure I didn't have a concussion. I was starting to get pretty mad because I was afraid they would take me out of the course. When the guy on the radio told them to send an ambulance to the bridge and told them about the gun-jeep I figured it out.

The TOC told the OPFOR command to radio the gun jeep to move. When the ambulance arrived my whole team escorted me to the bridge. They, of course, took the opportunity to cross the bridge. The medic checked me out and said I was okay to continue. As he checked me out I couldn't take my eyes off of an open box of donuts in the back of the ambulance. It was almost painful to see them and not be able to have one. I met up with the rest of my team and we moved to the rally point dry as a bone.

After we crossed the bridge and linked up with our instructor on the banks of the Deep River, it was time to split up. For the next three days we would be alone. The idea was that we would now be trained in solitary survival. They placed us along the river and told us our boundaries. When they came back, we would be tested on several items these were:


* Make an equipment cache
* Build a baited snare
* Build a fixed hanging snare
* Build a treadle snare
* Make a field expedient spear
* Make a weighted club
* Make a clandestine fishing rig
* Map the area
* Build a one match fire

After we split up, I decided to catch up on some sleep. I laid down in a thicket with my head at the base of a large hardwood tree and went to sleep. After about three hours I woke up because I heard a knocking sound very close to me. I didn't move but simply opened my eyes. There above me about three feet from my face was a pileated woodpecker. It was BIG. It looked as big as a chicken. They are fairly rare and I had never seen one close up so I just laid there and looked at it while it pecked at the tree. I was amazed that it didn't even know I was there.

After it flew away, I got up and stashed my gear. I started scouting around my area. There wasn't much there. I found some walnuts and some muscatel grapes, but very few. It would be all the food I would find during this period. By now I was extremely hungry. It is hard to remember the order of events during the period I spent alone. I know I built all of my snares, tried to fish with a bent safety pin for a hook, but didn't catch anything. Nothing ever seemed to come near my snares. The only game I saw in the area was some squirrels. I spent one whole afternoon throwing rocks at them with no success in hitting one. I found a brick that was the kind that has three holes in it. I broke it in half through the middle hole and slid a stick through the other hole and pounded it down tight. This was my weighted club. I still remember being very hungry, very tired and very depressed during this period. One time I found a few more grapes and when I went to pick them a bee stung me on my finger. It hurt and I was more depressed. I really didn't want to be out there anymore. I wanted the course to end. I could hear cattle bellowing way off in the distance somewhere and it made me homesick. I hated this time.

On the third morning I was ready for grading and I hoped the instructor would come early. He didn't show up until 1600. I remember looking at my watch every 15 minutes or so; truly believing that an hour or two had passed. There was nothing to do but sit. By this time I was very weak. I didn't even feel very hungry anymore. On top of all that, it was my birthday.

What happened next was one of the most amazing experiences of my life. I saw two soldiers coming through the woods. I hid myself behind a tree because at first I didn't know if they were OPFOR. When I saw they were the instructor and the course executive officer I still didn't move. I was thinking about the points I had lost for improper linkup a couple of days before. When they were about five yards away they called out my name. I stepped out from behind a tree right in front of them and said "Here I am." They looked directly at me and said "Where?" I'm not kidding. They were 15 feet away from me, there was no real brush between us and it was 4 o'clock in the afternoon on a sunny day and they couldn't see me. I was right in front of them! I was amazed and said "I'm right here, can't you see me?" Suddenly they looked shocked and said "Oh, there you are!" Apparently spending this much time in the woods this close to a state of nature makes you blend in somehow. I'm not trying to imply anything mystical but I guess I was "one with the forest". I suppose that is why the woodpecker didn't know I was there either.

Everything passed except that the string broke on my treadle snare when it was tripped and my one match went out before I could touch it to tinder. I lost 50 points. The executive officer was a good friend and we still keep in touch to this day. He knew it was my birthday so he brought me a cupcake with one candle on it. He showed it to me, said "happy birthday" and then said "oops, I forgot you can't have anything to eat." He popped it in his mouth and ate the whole thing in one b!te. He thought it was funny, I thought it was torture. When we recall it today we laugh but it wasn't funny then.

Later that evening I linked up with the rest of my evasion team and set out for the final linkup the next morning. Everybody said the birthday-boy should take point. What a great bunch of friends. It was only two miles away. Nevertheless, it took us all night to make that movement. We were so weak that we could only move a few hundred yards without stopping to rest. We finally made the link up, got in trucks and made the ride back to Camp McCall. We were really excited because we knew we had passed one of the most difficult training courses in the US military.

When we got back the first thing they did was weigh us in. I had gone out seven days before weighing 180 pounds. I was now down to 159. The next thing was mail call. One of the guys' wife sent him a box of cookies and he passed them out. When I took a b!te there was an explosion of flavor in my mouth, it was amazing. I thought I could taste every ingredient. I'll never forget the almost orgasmic sensation of eating that cookie. Then they herded us into the mess hall and fed us some bland food and we all ate for a while then went outside and puked. After that we went back in and ate some more. I ate and ate and ate for the next week. It still took me three months to put back on the 21 pounds I had lost in 7 days. When I got back to Bragg, one guy I knew pretty well didn't even recognize me and introduced himself to me. It was weird.

 :)


15 janvier 2008 à 14:36:19
Réponse #14

kartoffel


Un régal cette lecture, merci Camp :)

Citer
It is easy to almost forget that it is not real.

15 janvier 2008 à 16:28:19
Réponse #15

Woodrunner


On se fait des trips SERE avec des potes de temps en temps, on nous dépose à un endroit et on doit tailler la route pour atteindre un point distant de quelques kilomètres, rien que sur 4-5heures s'est chaud!Il faut selon le moment, l'endroit, la situation soit tailler la route (par exemple passer un point obligé genre pont, goulet de la vallée,...), soit au contraire traîner, attendre, ruser,... s'est assez subtile comme jeux et dans la réalité t'a pas le droit à l'erreur, pas de débrifing qui dit "là moi je pense que vous auriez mieux fait de faire ça,.....) le plus trasch s'est quand "l'ennemi"dispose d'un vhc,... ça complique le jeux, il est plus rapide (mais plus visible aussi,...) plus mobile,.... ça lui permet de poser des embuscades loin devant et d'ensuite poser une patrouille qui pousse derrière!

Très instructif en tout cas,...

(pour le vicks bleu et le baume du tigre + 1 pour les odeurs pas cool... et d'après des connaissances ça s'emploit aussi entre deux préservatives comme couche préventive pour éviter de devenir papa quand tu veux pas dans certain pays pas riche,... s'est moche comme technique mais ils avaient trouver que ça, ça leurs évitaient par la même de chopper une saloperie qui se soigne pas sans le savoir,....)
Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state.
Thomas Jefferson
3rd president of US (1743 - 1826)

WOLWERINES!!!!!!!


"Une pomme par jour éloigne le médecin… pourvu que l'on vise bien."    

Winston Churchill

15 janvier 2008 à 17:16:10
Réponse #16

Lynx


Bon faut que je prenne plus de temps pour lire cet article qui m'a l'air vraiment interessant.
Je vois bien de quoi il s'agit, je me rapelle certaines nuits tout peint en vert.

Je pense que des courses d'orientation sont un trés bon terrain d'exercice pour pas mal de raison
on peut augmenter les difficultées a mesure, (distance, meteo, terrain, nuit, enjeux...)
c'est un exercice qui force à gamberger tout en gérant son effort, et à être stratégique.

Petit exercice par exemple: placez un code sur les sacs par équipes, si une équipe arrive a ramener le code d'une autre equipe cette derniére se paie une pénalité (qui peut être 5 km a pied en rab)...
ca force vite à éviter de courrir toutes lampes allumées sur la route ou a brailler dans les villages!
Ca ajoute une pointe de stress et ca oblige à reflechir avec la composante discretion





Poussière aux pieds vaut mieux que poussière aux fesses. Proverbe Peul

15 janvier 2008 à 17:28:44
Réponse #17

Woodrunner


Merci pour l'idée Lynx!!!

Je vais pouvoir pimenter des exercices avec ça!!!!  ;D
Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state.
Thomas Jefferson
3rd president of US (1743 - 1826)

WOLWERINES!!!!!!!


"Une pomme par jour éloigne le médecin… pourvu que l'on vise bien."    

Winston Churchill

15 janvier 2008 à 23:52:52
Réponse #18

pimyboc


salut,
a ce qu'on m'a dit, tu mets la première, du baume du tigre et tu mets la deuxième par dessus si la dame elle se met à crier d'un coup pendant c'est que la première a pété et qu'il faut faire gaffe.
alors c'est pour éviter les casses où l'on ne s'en rend pas vraiment compte.
ceci dit deux mises en garde outre les problèmes moraux que cela engage (à chacun la sienne de morale) j'y vois deux inconvénient : premièrement, les deux préservatifs risquent de s'échauffer entre eux et donc de casser plus vite et rien ne dit que ce ne sera pas la première qui claque en premier et là c'est pas la dame qui criera, deuxièmement, je ne crois pas que le baume du tigre soit neutre vis à vis du latex où autre produit moi je connaissais avec autre chose et je pense que ça fragilise la matière.
si je me trompe dit le moi wood.
DEX AIE En Normandie, il n’y a qu’une chose qui peut être haute ou basse : C’est la mer.

15 janvier 2008 à 23:59:24
Réponse #19

Chester


et là c'est pas la dame qui criera,


...et ce sera bien fait. >:D  >:D  >:D

16 janvier 2008 à 00:03:52
Réponse #20

pimyboc


...et ce sera bien fait. >:D  >:D  >:D
oui entièrement d'accord avec toi,
je m'en doutais que tu allais réagir.
m'enfin moi je dis juste ce qu'on m'a dit hein j'ai pas testé
DEX AIE En Normandie, il n’y a qu’une chose qui peut être haute ou basse : C’est la mer.

16 janvier 2008 à 00:11:26
Réponse #21

Chester


damned!je suis si prévisible que ça???  :D

comme ça, je dirais que ce système s'apparente beaucoup plus à de la superstition (il y en a tant d'autres sur le sujet)genre le (célèbre à présent)verre de jus d'orange.. ;D

16 janvier 2008 à 07:00:47
Réponse #22

Woodrunner


J'ai honte d'avoir fait glisser le topic sur un sujet aussi glissant,....  :-[  :-\


En faites s'est vraiment sale comme truc  :-[, mais dans certains pays (genre pays où qu'il fait pas bon vivre,...  ^-^ ) les dames qui font le plus vieux métier du monde on (avaient) pour habitude de percer discretement (avec les ongles,...) les préservatifs pour ainsi pouvoir revendiquer l'enfant d'un soldat de tel ou tel pays,... cette enfant permettant ensuite de soutirer des "zzzzeuro" au plus sentimental et crédule des clients en vert,.... s'est une sorte d'assurance vie!!! Mais quand on connait le taux de VIH dans certain pays ça fout le frisson!!!

Les modo peuvent effacer mes messages ayant conduit à ça,... s'ils le désirent!!!
« Modifié: 16 janvier 2008 à 07:19:47 par Woodrunner »
Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state.
Thomas Jefferson
3rd president of US (1743 - 1826)

WOLWERINES!!!!!!!


"Une pomme par jour éloigne le médecin… pourvu que l'on vise bien."    

Winston Churchill

16 janvier 2008 à 07:45:14
Réponse #23

Woodrunner


Pour réorienter un peu le topic, j'avais lu que certains traqueurs faisait des cercles autour de leurs "proies" afin de pouvoir les distancer et être sûr de retrouver leurs traces,...  ^-^ J'ai de la peine à comprendre le pourquoi du comment,... je comprend l'utilité pour éviter l'embuscade (après une mesure de contre filature par exemple,...) mais ça doit demander de marcher diablement vite ce genre de technique!!! Quelqu'un peux m'expliquer?
Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state.
Thomas Jefferson
3rd president of US (1743 - 1826)

WOLWERINES!!!!!!!


"Une pomme par jour éloigne le médecin… pourvu que l'on vise bien."    

Winston Churchill

16 janvier 2008 à 11:34:11
Réponse #24

bloodyfrog


T'es sur que tu confonds pas (je sais que non mais je pose la question quand même... :-[) avec la technique qui consiste à courir en cercle (pour le fugitif) afin de se retrouver derrière ses poursuivants?

Il faut à mon sens une/des équipes attendant les fugitifs sur les points de passages obligés ou estimés, et éventuellement une équipe rapide qui décrit des cercles concentriques pour obliger le fugitif à la mobilité (et donc à un peu moins réfléchir...)

Sans l'équipe receuil/ambush, je vois pas trop à quoi ça sert de tourner en rond...

Manu.


 


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