stage lee morrison tours

[** Serge **]

Godspeed, chaps !

[Leif]

 

l'aéroport de southampton vient de rouvrir donc cooolllllll.

le stage est maintenu 

bon maintenant faut se deplacer .

si il y en a qui ont des soucis de train dites le moi , ou autres.

pour samedi normalement il y a pas de soucis .

n'hesitez pas a me dire si il y a un soucis

c'est cool la vie, quand un problème se découvre c'est pour laisser la place a un nouveau problème, c'est bien fait la vie quand meme

a++

[Gros Calou]

Y a beaucoup de neige par chez toi ??? 

[Leif]

pas samedi l'ami

et demain je monte sur paname, je croise les doigts

[Leif]

okidoki

[Gros Calou]

TAIN ! J'AVAIS UN MESSAGE EN RENTRANT DU TAF 

J'ai loupé Lee et Jeff 

[lilou6201]

Bon stage pour le weekend et penser à prendre pleins de photos et pas trop de gnons !!! 

[Leif]

 

[Dje]

Day 1 :
Drop step (à crever !)
Torque
Forward drive
Agression
Amenées au sol combatives style

[Dje]

Choke & strangulation
Hit first, atachement, follow up
Low line strikes
Counter attack from the default position
Counter attack under stress

Merci à Lee, super pedagogue et tres sympa (aussi humble qu'il tape fort, c' est dire) et merci à Jeff, son organisation et de nous avoir fait decouvrir le camion à pizza d'Azay le Rideau.

[run974]

Salut,

Dans la série la self pour les nuls, et sans rentrer dans les détails...

Quelqu'un pourrait me rappeler qu'est-ce que l'"atachement", le "drop step", le "torque" ou le "forward drive" ?

thanks a lot 

[sharky]

Salut,

Dans la série la self pour les nuls, et sans rentrer dans les détails...

Quelqu'un pourrait me rappeler qu'est-ce que l'"atachement", le "drop step", le "torque" ou le "forward drive" ?

Je te laisse chercher les réponses sur le fil du 1er stage de Lee en Touraine en Février:

http://www.davidmanise.com/forum/index.php?topic=28224.180

Toutes les réponses y sont

[** Serge **]

Quelqu'un pourrait me rappeler qu'est-ce que .../... le "torque"  ?

To address this 'pivot' first, as opposed to keeping the head/spine central and punching 'around' it from a double-footed position, I emphasise shifting laterally and utilising a single-footed position to allow more dramatic body commitment. I can use the term 'lateral axis' all day long, and many can push the 'door hinge analogy' until they are blue in the face, but technically it is impossible to perform as such. You set yourself up for direct critique when describing a situation where the far shoulder remains stationary and everything swings around it, in such absolute terms. Unless you physically fix the shoulder in place, you are going to rotate around the spine. That's it. Try as you may, that far shoulder is coming backwards - watch any exponent of the 'double hip' reverse punch closely, put a point of reference in place and watch all the door-hinge rhetoric dissolve before your very eyes.

Keeping the back upright and rigid doesn't help this, and is absolutely counterproductive regarding developing any approximating horizontal force, not to mention losing out on the terrific amount of force that can be generated with the spine alone, as a base foundation to add a punch to.

I encourage individuals to shift across, to sink onto that supporting leg and tilt the hip platform so that the punching side is higher than the supporting side, and to also tilt the shoulder platform in a similar but more pronounced fashion - this bends the spine, a horrifying scenario for those wishing to keep everything 'neat' perhaps, but if the spine wasn't meant to bend, flex, twist etc, I wonder why there are so many bones in it, not to mention all the muscle that goes with it!

This shifts sits the spine over into a lateral position, so the 'lateral axis' I mention is only actually a 'pseudo' one, but it's the effect I desire so the term works for me.

One of the most enlightening points regarding power, is when you realise that nothing is a 'push' at all. You in no way are actually able to push a punch, or anything else for that matter. The skeletal muscles only pull, in various combinations, in order to achieve every single movement.

When you think that you are pushing your hand forwards really fast - like a punch - what is really happening is that you are simultaneously pulling your elbow inwards using mainly the pectoral and deltoid muscle groups, and in a minor role you are pulling your hand outwards using the triceps to give the appearance and effect of a push. Obviously there are other components, most importantly the hip that is pulled by the various muscles in the trunk, that in turn pulls the shoulder forward, that then pulls the elbow. The only thing getting 'pushed' are the two bones sticking out from the elbow that have a fist stuck on the end!

Thinking in these terms can significantly change how you view, and deliver impactive force. Analysing any punch, or kick, etc, and looking for the various 'pulls' involved gives you something to work on. Increasing the amount of 'pull' will quite simply increase the amount of force you can generate, and this can be done most effectively - in my opinion - by use of various plyometric factors, where you utilise - exploit - the inherent elastic nature of muscle fibres to dramatically increase their contractile acceleration.

I generally liken the action I advocate as being similar to firing a missile from a catapult - by violently creating a stretch in various muscle groups, you can generate an unconscious recovery of the fibres that can be easily corrupted into a punch or kick. Due to it being an automatic process it is relatively effortless, and very sustainable. The torso provides all the effort, and I've done a fair amount of fatigue-related development to ensure that it's extremely energy-efficient. Arms and legs will tire fairly quickly, but not the muscle groups contained within the torso, especially those working in a diagonal fashion - these torso muscles have been working your entire waking life, without rest, and are possessed of endurance that far exceed all others.

Using these as the engine, to create an intial violence of motion that is added to, and the limbs as the transmission, leaves the hands/feet/whatever as merely the tires - the least important component.

Find that 'pull' and create a savage and uncomfortable stretch, that you recover only in the direction of the intended blow. Find that and you'll really understand how to generate impact, with anything, from anywhere.

Learn how to punch, not just how to do a punch.

.../...

a) To be more accurate, every movement has a 'pull' as it's power source, not just punching. Being able to identify this essential movement and training to enhance it will dramatically increase power potential in all areas. This 'early phase' is often overlooked I feel regarding fight training, but very prevalent in sports and athletics where movement-components are often trained in exclusion.

As an analogy, one that changes the scale of the movement somewhat but is still relevant, think of the sprinter practicing just coming off his blocks, making the movement as efficient as possible - a foundation to base the rest of his efforts upon, seeing as how the faster the start is, the faster the possible finish could be.

Creating that savage and violent initial impetus, that preceeds any punch or kick, or grab, is vital for maximum force application - in actual fact, if you can produce such force initially, whatever you stick on the end of it will be destructive - even seemingly 'casual' blows for instance, since they come from such a dynamic platform to start with, they carry some of that force by default.

As a fairly abstract example, imagine throwing a tennis-ball at someone with the intent to injure them - you'd have to virtually give yourself a hernia to have any real effect on your victim! Now drive past them sat in a car at around 150mph or more, just 'casually' tossing that same ball out of the window would potentially be fatal, since the 'platform' is already moving so fast.

Work that intitial violence, not just the later stages of it.

b) I stress the head movement as being so important as it is possibly the most obvious manifestation of moving bodymass, in reality the head does very little from a direct perspective, and instead the real focus should be on moving everything dramactically. Getting the head moving tends to ensure this, but often people - generally those who misinterpret the actual objective - will move their heads in one direction and their hips in the opposite, and still think they are 'doing the business' because their heads are actually moving, and all they understood from reading all about it was that if the head moves real fast then 'magically' they will hit harder!

Regarding that infamous 'kinetic chain' that utilises the sequential involvement of various linked body components to acculmulate force, then this need not necessarily begin with head movement at all - in fact if this is actually taken as being 'law' then it can impact upon technique much the same as any misunderstood dogma tends to when taken out of the circumstantial context it relates to. More often than not the head is actually viable, but it is more an indicator of whole body movement than an actual component in many regards, as mentioned above.

c&d) The core muscles are best engaged in a diagonal plane for maximal effect, due to the way they are linked and interconnect - look into the 'Serape Effect' for details into this, something Steve Morris was onto a long time back and has blogged about also.

Trying to make everything 'neat' and purely horizontal regarding rotational force is missing out on the optimal force possible, you'll still hit hard, but just not hardest...

[Gros Calou]

Moi je suis encore dans ma bulle de savon, je redescends une fois quelle a éclatée  

[lilou6201]

Vous êtes tous en un seul morceaux ou y a eut des victimes , 

[Gros Calou]

Bien sur nous sommes tous entiers, Lee est un expert, pas un boucher, la bulle de savon c'est parce-que nous avons appris beaucoup de choses et d'une qualité hors normes.

Merci Lee pour cette cession, MERCI Jeff pour nous donner l'OPPORTUNITE de passer un moment rare, fais d'amitié et +++++ encore  

[Gros Calou]

Malgré le mal engendré par mes récentes mes coutures  J'ai appris, j'ai absorbé comme une éponge qui absorbe le jus d'une vaisselle mal dégraissée.
C'est simple, logique et fonstionnelle. Si son vernis social est trop épais, il faut le faire sauter à coup de burin. Lee est là et donne des outils qu'ils faut non seulement intégrer dans sa caisse à outils, mais qu'il faut sortir tout les jours si le besoin s'enfait sentir et  match  . Il ,n' ya a pas de place au hasard, il y a de la place pour l'éfficacité et point barre, réveillez vous   

[onc roger]

Bien rentrés itou  

C'était BIEN !

J'ai mal partout mais c'était vraiment BIEN  

Merci pour tout à Leif, Merci à sa femme pour son hospitalité et merci à tous pour la bonne ambiance

[Gros Calou]

Merci pour tout à Leif, Merci à sa femme pour son hospitalité et merci à tous pour la bonne ambiance

It's the Leif TEAM  Pensée à Momo 

[nox]

difficile de décrire ce stage   

je suis encore sur mon petit nuage,  et de temps en temps ce sont les petites douleurs qui me font redecendre  j'aurai pas du taper aussi fort maintenant j'ai mal partout   

Sinon plus sérieusement j'ai vraiment appris beaucoup de choses et pu travailler d'autres de façon plus poussée.
Vraiment aucun regret d'être venu, je n'aurai voulu louper ça pour rien au monde ...

Un grand merci à Lee, à Jeff aussi pour l'organisation et son accueil, j'ai été super content de revoir les copains et de rencontrer de nouvelles têtes 

[guillaume]

Le prochain j'en serai

a+

[Leif]

oui et moi je pourrirais un peu l'organisation car je vois que la plupart ne retiennent que ça

c'etait vraiment bien, bien ,bien, bien

si une personne se sent de faire un retex

a++

[Gros Calou]

Je vais le faire dans quelques jours histoire de prendre le temps et risquer de rien oublier de part ma soft attitude  .
Arnaud  Mon Frêre tu as la Lee attitudes 

[Gros Calou]

Mon avatar est pas près de changer 

[Leif]

Arnaud  love Mon Frêre tu as la Lee attitudes  {$default_wink_smiley}

c'est clair

sans aucun soucis